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Beckers motive, wrote State College Police Detective David Scicchitano, was to conceal the worst of the drinking and hazing. Penn State's former Beta Theta Pi fraternity house now sits empty. 7:45 p.m. Piazza was seen on his hands and knees in WebTimothy Piazza, 19, from New Jersey died after falling down a flight of stairs during a hazing ritual at the Beta Theta Pi fraternity house. Becker, 21, of Niskayuna, New York, was charged with evidence tampering, obstruction and hindering a prosecution. On Thursday, lawyerTheodore Simon saidduring the early morning hours before Piazza was found in the basement, he could be seen walking to a set of patio doors and closing them indicating the pledge wascoherent andfunctioning during this time, the Centre Daily Times reported. Gabe Gutierrez, an NBC News correspondent, said via Twitter that the courtroom was silent as prosecutors played video of Piazza dying. Getting knock out drunk? US House Speaker Kevin McCarthy has defended giving about 40,000 hours of surveillance footage from the insurrection on January 6 2021 to Fox News host Tucker Carlson. He seems to want to use it that way, and is manipulating the media to do so. Tim Piazza may have been somewhat complicit in the hazing. Alexandersen said fraternity brothers were "intensely" watching the video of Piazza writhe in pain on the floor in the hours after his fall. However, I'd also like to argue that the fraternity is also legally and morally responsible for his initial intoxication. The new charges are based on surveillance footage that authorities managed to recover after a frat brother deleted it. Fraternity members referred to the pledge ceremony as an "obstacle course" in text messages, according to a report on the grand jury's investigation. after reading this entire thread and especially all of your answers OP im getting the impression you are either someone (a brother/pledge) who was there that night, or someone with some type of intimate frat involvement to the case and timothy. WebDetectives may have discovered crucial new evidence in the death of Penn State student Timothy Piazza. WebOne of the 18 Beta Theta Pi members charged with the Feb. 4 death of 19-year-old Tim Piazza removed everything from the basement camera two days after his alcohol-related Heated disagreements broke out while Parks Miller shared hours of evidence with the court, including surveillance video from cameras set up around the frat house. What they did was far worse than, say driving drunk and killing someone which would still be involuntary manslaughter. Copyright 2023 CBS Interactive Inc. All rights reserved. Parks Miller said in a written statement that the basement video clearly depicts a continuation of the hazing activity previously captured upstairs, including giving pledges beer, wine and vodka. "That's the evidence that the commonwealth now has.". He said coercing someone to drink as much as his son did is egregiously reckless and, according to the police and the DA, is criminal.. Timothy Piazza, 19, from New Jersey died after falling down a flight of stairs during a hazing ritual at the Beta Theta Pi fraternity house. On the night of February 2, 2017, while undergoing hazing rituals for the fraternity, Piazza, on an essentially empty stomach, drank large amounts of alcohol in a short time as part of an obstacle course called "The Gauntlet", which required each pledge to drink from a bottle of vodka, drink a beer, and finally drink from a bag of wine. The Centre County District Attorney announced on Monday that the FBI has recovered video footage from the night before 19-year-old Timothy Piazza's death. The grand jury document referenced surveillance footage other than the recently recovered video. "Not going to lie, this footage is pretty tough to watch," Alexandersen tweeted, around the same time Snyder reported the courtroom was silent. What they did was worse than just leaving him to die. WebAccording to the grand jury presentment, around 9 p.m., the videos show Piazza and other pledges in a ritual called "the gauntlet," consuming large amounts of beer, vodka and Pledges showed signs of intoxication, and Piazza had to be helped to a couch. Another 11 frat members are already facing similar charges. 16 students face judge in Penn State hazing death of Timothy Piazza, 'He looked like a corpse': Video shown of Penn State pledge after fatal injuries, Your California Privacy Rights/Privacy Policy. "A young man died unnecessarily," District Attorney Stacy Parks Miller (center) told reporters. Surveillance video played in court reportedly shows Piazza repeatedly falling, passing out and tumbling head-first down a flight of stairs, and no one called 911 for hours. Over the rest of that evening, fraternity members were recorded pouring liquid on him, strapping a loaded backpack to him and taking other ineffective or counterproductive steps to deal with his condition. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. Prosecutors allege Piazza was forced to drink excessively before falling and hurting himself. At the news conference Monday, Piazza's father said he is committed to pursuing the charges against the members of the fraternity, which has been shut down by Penn State. WebSurveillance video inside a Penn State frat house showed a student who looked like a corpse by the time fraternity members came to his aid, a police detective said on He was pronounced dead less than 24 hours later. The legal system is mostly consequentialist simply because letting judges and juries decide which defendants are 'nice people at heart' and let them go, is exactly how lynch mobs and rich, pillar of the community rapists got away with a slap on the wrists or less. Gene J. Puskar/AP Justin is an assistant managing editor at CBS News. "In all," The Philadelphia Inquirer reports, "25 Beta Theta Pi members now face charges.". No one called for help until late the next morning, and the New Jersey native died Feb. 4. Piazza was carried to a couch where frat brothers poured beer on him, hit him, and eventually propped him on his side. WebSurveillance footage from inside the frat house shown during previous hearings depicted Piazza looking like a corpse after his first drunken fall in the house, according to another Comedy Cabaret at the Temperance House, Open House - Check Out The NEW Total Fitness & Golf Gym, Delaware Valley University Hosts Raising Livestock on a Small Farm Community Course This Spring, Protect Your Home from Ticks with Yard Guard from Viking Pest, Larry P. Pelullo, Retired Carpenter with over 30 years Experience, Check Out These Homes For Sale In Newtown, Bucks LVW Webinar To Explore "How School Boards Impact Us All". 2023 USA TODAY, a division of Gannett Satellite Information Network, LLC. Not calling an ambulance for an unconscious, dying person, and instead beating that person up, sounds pretty evil to me. And again, we get back to taking responsibility for your actions. Over the course of 42 more minutes, the video footage shows them hauling Piazza back upstairs, shaking him, and attempting to prop his limp body up on the couch. We've received your submission. They left him for the whole night alone. An example should be made of that chapter, so I would say his parents are more like the dicks that are trying to fuck the assholes that just want to shit all over everything, IMO. Pledges were made to chug vodka and beer. Also Thursday, an attorney for Luke Visser, one of the defendants charged in Piazzas death, revealed what he claimed to be new information indicating that Piazza may have tripped over a girl sitting on a stairwell leading to the basement suggesting it was more of an accident than the result of drunkenness. Not calling 911 immediately is not Piazza fault. After investigators determined the security footage was manually deleted, they then sent the tapes to the FBI, whose agents recovered the video, authorities said in a statement. "No parent wants to see what is apparently on this videotape.". And you actually say that "people need to take responsibility for their actions" yet excuse these animals? Reporters describe the tension between the fraternity brothers and the grieving parents: According to the Inquirer report, Tim's father, Jim, "glared" at Joseph Ems Jr., who is accused of throwing a shoe at Piazza and slapping him in the abdomen. They are grieving parents looking for something to explain why their son has been killed. Again, letting people off the hook for being stupid is a dangerous precedent, because it encourages criminals to maintain as much ignorance as possible and act stupid in front of the jury. Lawsuits claim it wrecked their teeth. He too live-tweeted. That night after the February event, Piazza drunkenly fell down the stairs and sustained the injuries that led to his death less than two days later. Scicchitano replied he did not, saying the girls were not wearing name badges, and recommended that they come forward to police. That previous footage allegedly depicted Piazza, severely under the influence, falling head-first down the stairs at about 11 p.m. and falling again around 5 a.m., hitting his head against a metal railing. (Patrick Carns/Patrick Carns). Speaking of which, downvotes don't change views! He drank an incredibly high amount of alcohol and fell down the basement stairs and was unconscious. FULL STORY: Video surveillance from Pennsylvania State University fraternity house shown in court - WNEP. before we start calling them 'kids' and letting them off the hook for killing people. BELLEFONTE, Pa. -- (WNEP) -- Investigators say a Penn State fraternity pledge's slow death at a frat party was caught on cameras. The new charges are based on surveillance footage that authorities managed to recover after a frat brother deleted it. His brothers carried him, unconscious, to a couch and left him there. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. The footage, by all accounts, is disturbing. After consuming a lethal amount of alcohol, Piazza fell down a flight of stairs head first. Any one of these people could have stayed with him kept him from doing further damage to himself. The reason why hazing works, and why hazing charges exist, is because peer pressure is an extremely powerful motivator. "Piazza looks like dead weight. He is then carried up, while unconscious, by a group of frat brothers who then proceed to "slam" him, slap him, pour water on him and even throw a shoe at him, according to accounts of the footage. Edit: Btw, your comment completely justifies me using a throwaway. In this attempt he managed to hit himself in the head several more times and knock himself out again. One brother tried to convince the others that Piazza needed immediate medical help, but was ignored. The houses security system captured many of the events the night Piazza was injured, footage that had already been played at a preliminary hearing for those charged previously. Scicchitano said Piazza had a visible bruise on his abdomen on the footage while being carried by brothers after the fall. They are acting like total jerks attacking these kids in public. They are the sole reason he is dead. Obviously the situation is horrible, but kids need to understand they are responsible for their actions. All of the footage from a basement camera prior to Feb. 6 had been deleted before authorities had a chance to obtain it. Because court recessed without a decision, all 16 men are expected to be back in court in the coming weeks. WebNewly-recovered footage shows Beta Theta Pi members forcing 18 drinks on Piazza and other pledges in less than an hour and a half on the night he sustained the injuries that The surgeons attempting to save his life deemed the injuries to likely be nonrecoverable, and Piazza was pronounced dead in the early morning of February 4, 2017. In fact, on video, Tim Piazza does not obtain his own alcohol at any point rather, every drink consumed was provided to him by a fraternity brother, she said. The hearing, which is expected to enter a fifth day Friday, will determine whether there is enough evidence to send the case to trial. The Inquirer explains: "In September, Judge Allen Sinclair gutted the prosecution's case, throwing out the most serious felony charges against the fraternity members and saying prosecutors had not presented enough evidence to support them. Piazzadied in ahospital Feb. 4, about 30 hours after a bid acceptance partyin which the former high school football player fell repeatedly. Her successor Bernie Cantorna has not said whether or not he intends to proceed with the prosecution.". Sucks that you have to come in basically bullying me because we disagree. Happy CMVing! I don't think it's cool at all to launch a personal attack like that, in a sub reddit that is about changing view points. In court, some of the fraternity brothers appeared distressed while watching the videos. Three brothers picked him up and "slammed" him back onto the couch. He died two days later at a hospital. One fraternity member is accused of deleting the video as police were seeking the footage. ", As NPR's Bill Chappell reported at the time, Penn State Student's Hazing Death Was No Accident, Grand Jury Says, 'Horror' Of Student's Hazing Death At Penn State Sparks Change. After 40 minutes of debating on what the next step should be, the conclusion was made that Piazza's injuries were indeed serious, and that he would require medical attention. — -- A detective testifying in a Pennsylvania courtroom Thursday regarding the death of Penn State student Tim Piazza said some surveillance footage from the Beta Theta Pi house appears to have been deleted. Messages left for most other defendants or their lawyers were not immediately returned Monday. Tim was accountable to himself for over drinking, but the rest of the frat was accountable for essentially leaving him to rot and die, despite obvious symptoms of trauma and injury, and likely alcohol poisoning. PSU/frat/Piazza? Cold and hyperventilating. The next morning at 10am (not a moment before), a search for Piazza led brothers to the basement where Absolutely nobody around checking on him? Warner Bros. Entertainment | Beta Theta Pi fraternity house at Penn State. His "brothers," could have handled it better, but it is clear his parents taught him no accountability, and have no idea what it is themselves. The testimony came on the fourth day of a preliminary hearing for 16 members of Beta Theta Pi facing charges that includeinvoluntary manslaughter and aggravated assault in the Feb. 4 death of engineering student Timothy Piazza, 19. Turn on desktop notifications for breaking stories about interest? UhhI'm not affiliated with penn state or a fraternity in general. Roughly twelve hours after his initial fall, emergency services were summoned but not informed that the fall had occurred the night before. They waited an additional 40 minutes before summoning help, police say. Piazza was at the Penn State University fraternity for a pledge event in February when he died after falling down a flight stairs. Detectives also found a text from Becker the day after the party, saying Piazza was technically hazed into drinking that much. In another text, Becker used an expletive to say someone had argued against getting the pledges very drunk but no one listened.. A lawyer for Joseph Ems, who had previously faced a reckless-endangerment charge that was dismissed by the district judge, said he plans to seek dismissal of the three fresh charges against his client: hazing, furnishing alcohol to a minor and an alcohol violation. But he didn't die because he got knock out drunk; he died because of the head trauma and later mishandling of the situation by people who had claimed to be there to look out for and support him. hide caption. Watch Live: Closing arguments begin in double murder trial of Alex Murdaugh, Ex-Georgia star Jalen Carter was racing in deadly crash, arrest warrants allege, Watch Live: Garland testifies amid ongoing special counsel investigations, Fiery train crash in Greece kills dozens, many of them students. Not calling 911 immediately is what changed that story, from a crazy night where he drank too much and a lesson for future endeavors to his death. Please enable JavaScript to experience Vimeo in all of its glory. Brothers [in the fraternity] were coming up to him and giving him those drinks.". Sixteen Penn State fraternity brothers were in court Monday, all facing charges connected with the death of a pledge. Now it's not just the prior negligence, but further abuse of an injured, unconscious person. What is he responsible for? Timothy is accountable for over consuming alcohol (under severe social pressure from his Brothers, which could easily be argued as coercion). This story has been shared 102,156 times. WebDeleted surveillance video from inside a Penn State fraternity house recovered by prosecutors has led to new charges. WebPiazza's family left the courtroom when surveillance video was played. 2017 CBS Interactive Inc. All Rights Reserved. They have caused that condition," said Parks Miller. They caused his condition, then exacerbated it, then refused to get him needed care immediately. (CBSN). I see the frat members as stupid, not evil. The school has also changed the way it regulates fraternities and sororities, assuming more control over disciplinary procedures. No other parents have acted like this when they have lost their child in similar fashion. He can't protect himself from the alcohol and the injuries, and it goes on and on until he dies, and then they don't render aid at that point. (Abby Drey/AP). Advertisement Prosecutors filed charges against 12 members of Penn State's now-shuttered Beta Theta Pi chapter and added to the already-existing charges against five others. And the frat basically did everything they could to ignore him, until they couldn't, at which point they tried to cover up what they did. This isn't a mistake, it's murder. Prosecutors filed charges against 12 members of the fraternity and added to the already-existing charges against five others. Parks Miller, whos leaving office at the end of the year, then refiled many of the charges. It was estimated that he had .40% BAC and a lethal BAC is roughly .30%-.40%. Piazza "was a happy and caring human being" who "was killed at the hands of those he was seeking friendship from," his father said, according to ABC News. I don't think it serves anyone to blame the other fraternity members and act like Timothy piazza had no involvement. A fraternity is supposed to be like a second family. It took nearly twelve hours for them to make the call for help. This was men who intended to force-feed lethal amounts of alcohol into other young men. "He falls, gets injured, spleen, head, repeatedly. I'm pissed at these guys, and I've got no skin in the game. Even if they aren't and are just held to the standard of roommates look at the whole situation. The continuation comes after nearly 12 hours of testimony and hours of surveillance footage from the fraternity house on the night Timothy Piazza, a sophomore from New Jersey, fell during a bid acceptance night party. "The videotape is horrible, and it is gruesome," Kline said. Do Not Sell/Share My Personal Information. They did not call 911 until the morning of Feb. 3, about 12 hours after Piazza fell, the report said. The 19-year-old staggered through the house, visibly in pain he fell head first several times. Let's look at the Wikipedia article about the incident. Graphic video footage of the night Piazza died was shown for the first time in court Monday. But until recently, that did not include the basement, where Piazza was found the next morning. His "brothers," could have handled it better, but it is clear his parents taught him no accountability, and have no idea what it is themselves. Miller explained that the recovered surveillance footage shows frat brothers forcing Piazza to consume copious amounts of alcohol. Piazza's parents have spoken out poignantly about the incident. Web237K views 5 years ago There are new developments in connection with the case of the fraternity hazing ritual at Penn State that allegedly caused the tragic death of 19-year-old 2023 Telepictures Productions Inc. Investigators say the frat brothers waited 12 hours to call 911. You know what, if somebody falls down a flight of stairs because they're blackout drunk, you should probably make sure that nothing bad happens to him. In partnership with You or your parents wouldnt file charges right? Piazza was part of it, and idolizing him can only make this horrible situation worse. Make me see why the Piazza parents are not complete assholes. Piazza subsequently stumbled toward the basement steps, then fell down them. Look at the definition of murder..I don't like over the top hyperbole and I think that's why this case has bothered me in terms of coverage. Contributing: The Associated Press, John Bacon, USA TODAY. "It really is difficult to watch.". The district attorney's office in Centre County, Pennsylvania, has announced new charges in the death of Tim Piazza. I just wanted to have a conversation. Surveillance footage from inside the frat house shown during previous hearings depicted Piazza looking like a corpse after his first drunken fall in the house, according to another detectives testimony. Piazza had consumed at least 18 drinks in less than an hour and a half, according to prosecutors. In the video, Piazza appeared visibly drunk during the hazing ritual on Feb. 2; he was wobbling as he The Beta Theta Pi fraternity, which has since been barred from Penn State, is facing charges including involuntary manslaughter and hazing. He suffered severe head trauma and a ruptured spleen from the fall. WebSurveillance video played in court reportedly shows Piazza repeatedly falling, passing out and tumbling head-first down a flight of stairs, and no one called 911 for hours. "State College Police sent the box to the FBI, whose agents were able to restore the video from the deleted hard drive," the district attorney's office said. Twenty-six people now face charges in the case. One of the 18 fraternity members facing charges in the death of a Penn State pledge deleted footage from a basement surveillance camera two days after the 19-year-old sophomore died, a detective testified Thursday. WebA A. Tim Piazza was shown before his death on a video played by prosecutors on Monday suffering from a fall during an alcohol-fueled Penn State fraternity pledging event as his Once he was finally able to maintain balance, he staggered toward the lobby area of the house, but fell again head first into an iron railing and landed on a stone floor, likely incurring serious head trauma. Piazza's death "was the direct result of traumatic brain injuries," according to the forensic pathologist on the case. That video was shown in court on Monday. The revelation came on Day 4 of the preliminary hearing for the fraternity brothers facing charges ranging from involuntary manslaughter to furnishing alcohol to minors. The footage, as outlined in the grand jury presentment, shows an inebriated Piazza fall down the stairs. Prosecutors claim fraternity members His tragic death made national headlines after it was revealed that frat members didn't alert authorities until about 12 hours after he fell down the stairs. i have to say, if this were just a random person from the general public, they seriously wouldnt be this invested to make a throwaway account to make someone change their simpleton mind and then it results in you fighting to hang onto every tooth and infected hang nail (points which are not at all logical, and seriously only are one a sociopathic, guilty person would be rationalizing) Youre throwing shit to a wall and hoping it sticks, desperate for a new defense to use in court since the basement footage has now been released. First of all, these are not kids, they are adults. Security footage shows brothers slapping Piazza in the face, punching him in the stomach, and pouring beer on him, but he remained unconscious and unresponsive. I can only imagine the anguish of being a parent, and losing your child this way. The charges filed Monday which range from involuntary manslaughter to aggravated assault and hazing rely on surveillance footage taken during the pledge event connected with the 19-year-old's death. I just can't call them evil. What these people chose to do was make it worse and try to hide the fact they were breaking campus rules at the cost of a fellow members well being. I see the frat members as stupid, not evil. Tim then woke up the following morning still alone and attempted to move. WebDuring Mondays hearing, prosecutors showed three hours of video from the fraternitys surveillance cameras of Piazza before and after he became intoxicated, the New York You are asking them to think and act rationally about this, and that is something that is very difficult for grieving people to do. Prosecutors indicated that police would be filing additional charges in connection to the deleted video, PennLive.com reports. Prosecutors have filed new charges against members of the Beta Theta Pi fraternity at Penn State, alleging that newly recovered video shows them serving pledge Timothy Piazza excessive quantities of alcohol. Now we get into our first example of negligence, when they blew off the brother who could tell something was wrong a short time after the accident. First published on November 13, 2017 / 12:53 PM. Privacy Policy | The video includes Piazza consuming nearly 20 drinks in 90 minutes. Build a site and generate income from purchases, subscriptions, and courses. I haven't liked the idolization of him, and how the parents have basically ripped on everyone that their son has ever known. What happened to him after that, is entirely on the willful and blatant negligence of his frat brothers. Please enter valid email address to continue. Eight fraternity brothers are facing manslaughter charges in connection with Piazza's death. In June, Piazza family attorney Tom Kline told CBS News the family hasn't decided whether they'll be in the courtroom when the surveillance videos are played. Reporters inside the Centre County Courthouse live tweeted the proceedings as the prosecution played the surveillance footage from the Beta Theta Pi fraternity party on Feb. 2, the night of Piazza's fatal injury. This wasnt boys being boys. And to answer your last questionno I would not file charges or sue. "A young man died unnecessarily," she said. It was at this point that he was carried upstairs. Join Vimeo The grand jury concluded that, after Piazza was taken to the hospital, there was an active attempt to conceal evidence of the hazing and underage drinking, from deleting text messages to admitting to discussing erasing surveillance video. "She has asked that the case be reassigned to another judge, but she is working against the clock. He is estimated to have had a blood alcohol content (BAC) of nearly .40 on the night of the hazing incident. Tim Piazza (center) is pictured with his parents, Evelyn and James. Piazza died as a "direct result of the extremely reckless conduct of members of the Beta fraternity," aided by the permissive atmosphere fostered by Penn State's Interfraternity Council, the grand jury found. Stupid yes, but they just don't fit my idea of evil. Piazza eventually staggered to the basement where he fell down a flight of stairs. from They bought and served absurd amounts of alcohol to a minor. Sign up to receive breaking True Crime Daily news, exclusive stories and behind-the-scenes info. Piazza subsequently stumbled toward the basement steps, then fell down them. He was later pronounced dead at a hospital in the early hours of Feb. 4. Do Not Sell or Share My Personal Information. Time goes on and he falls off the couch and when he is found off the couch still unconscious he is thrown back on the couch, slapped around and punched him in the abdomen while completely unresponsive. A detective testified in court Thursday that surveillance video had vanished. PennLive.com reporter Christian Alexandersen was also at the hearing. Piazza was brought to Mount Nittany Medical Center, but was quickly transported to Penn State Milton S. Hershey Medical Center because of the severity of his injuries. Again normal people would have called for medical assistance seeing as he is still unresponsive or at least have a person watch over him but they left him. Well, we beat him and slapped him, what more could we do? Doctors saidthesophomore from Lebanon, N.J.,suffered multiple traumatic brain injuries, including a fractured skull and a lacerated spleen. 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